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(Fri-30-07-2021, 23:44 PM)JonJon Wrote: (Fri-30-07-2021, 09:07 AM)Turnedlight Wrote: I do have reservations about the idea of sorting out psoriasis by diet only because I would have thought if it did work our docs would have us all on these diets before trying anything else.
my experience and research says the exact opposite. Lets get real, the docs and big pharma dont make money if i actually get cured.
How much actual intense nutritional training do you think docs get??
as far as I remember, the doc who prescribed me Humira did not ask one question about diet, exercise, stress. I may be remembering that incorrectly because its been a while but I certainly wasnt given any diet recommendations
so that means that the SYMPTOMS were treated...but not the actual cause
it is what it is. Its a bit shocking when you realize that the doctor isnt really responsible for your actual health.....you are
I agree that we are each responsible for our own health. And I also agree that a lot, even most doctors do not ask enough questions about diet, exercise, etc (although I will have to give kudos to my doctor who does indeed ask those type questions) But..
Plaque psoriasis is a chronic disease that's driven by an overactive immune system.
I haven't seen any studies that have linked foods to a cause of psoriasis or even to verify that this or that particular diet will lead to being clear. I do think diets affect our bodies in many ways, and common sense tells us that over indulging in certain foods can lead to health issues. As for the cause of that overactive immune system... Is it a birth defect? Something caused by stress? Maybe it is foods but no one seems to have those answers yet.
I get what TL means, doctors trying to help would be on board if they felt diet alone would solve it. And I get what you're saying about pharma as money is a big factor for them.... but although doctor's charge a lot of money, I do think most of them want to help people. If I feel a doctor doesn't have my best interest in mind then I feel very fortunate that I can fire him and find another.
I think diet can help but everywhere I have looked agrees on one thing.... currently there is no known cure for psoriasis. So we all have to do what we think is best and follow the doctors we trust. A good diet is never going to be a bad thing. And it may indeed help with psoriasis, I don't think it hurts but I don't think it is a be all end all cure either.
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My two cents..
Yes, our immune system is overactive, which causes our psoriasis. It does not say that it is an auto immune disease, I am very happy with that.
But… one step further, why is our immune system overactive? That is the point. And I have written that before, e.g. as a post in the thread [post=196771]. These thoughts are not mine, but the vision of one of my docs, an internist, so a doctor with a view on the internal processes of the body.
Seen from this angle, the energy cycle in the cells, it very much makes sense that food is involved, as food is the fuel of that energy cycle.
With his prescription, that doc also prescribes a short diet of what to specifically not consume, like peanuts and grapes, and what is no problem, e.g. normal nuts and other food elements.
What we also see is the interest that is growing for the food element with Psoriasis patients as the doctors gradually have seen the comorbidities that arise with psoriasis and where diabetes is one of them. So also common medicine begins to see that food may be very important.
Still…there are a lot of people who have psoriasis without comorbidities and where the psoriasis is very difficult to treat, who are really in need of medication. I think that full recovery by the path of food is a very difficult one.
On my personal experience however I must say that I strictly avoid certain food. Recently I took a while on a regular basis peanut butter on my bread, I really love that, but I felt my feet getting worse, so I stopped that again. And I also must say that since I totally quite alcohol, for at least a year now, I was regularly drinking wine, my medication intake is very very low. Only a few pills per week.
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Im trying to back up and look at the bigger picture but also trying to keep it simple. I didnt have psoriasis until I was about 40. I was a very athletic kid and, like most kids in my neighborhood, played all the sports and grew up outside being active etc etc. But then I started eating junk food and fast food and in my 20s started putting on weight and of course not being as active.
So long story short, by the time psorasis showed up, I had 20 solid years of bad eating habits behind me and my weight ended up averaging around 220-230 and getting as high as 259.
so just THAT would be reason enough to be showing issues....but then add other typical stuff that people go through:
overall negativity
worries, fears, disappointments, self doubt
add in chemtrails, declining food and soil quality, constant emf type bombardment from all the gadgets we surround ourselves with
you get the picture.
to me, at some point the scales get shifted over and the body just cant keep up and therefore cant heal itself.
So I will be trying to correct my diet, but I will also be trying to come at it from other angles too: being more aware of my state of mind at all times, detoxing, proper sleep patterns etc etc etc
In the end, I have to be my own doctor since I am the one with the most at stake
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I understand your thinking on the role of lifestyle and diet on psoriasis as you can only take it from your own experience. So I'll just give a perspective of someone who suffered 58 years before finally getting a long term clearance
Now I'm guessing that I'm much older than you and live in England and was born not long after the end of ww2. It was a time of much hardship for my parents and we had very little. But we had no processed foods all we had was fresh and mainly home grown. I grew up with an active lifestyle and never realised I was living in poverty as there was always food on the table. I was in the same boat as the other kids in the neighbourhood so didn't know what stress was. At 15 I left school and started work.. At 17 I developed psoriasis and never saw it coming.
What I'm trying to say is in my case it wasn't brought on by eating junk food (that wasn't invented then) it wasn't caused by stress although after it spread over my body I did get stresses and spent the next 45 years fighting the disease with every "cure" I could afford. I have always eaten reasonably healthily and been active.
In all my years of trying to get clear by cutting foods out I found it didn't make a scrap of difference
Then I was fortunate enough to get my current tablets that have kept me clear for nearly 10 years.
I hope changing your lifestyle works for you and you can manage to get clear with natural methods. I do believe trying to stay positive is helpful in the control of psoriasis. I wish you Good and luck and look forward to reading more of your thoughts
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Still Jim… you fit in the theory of the mitochondrial disease… 
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(Sat-31-07-2021, 12:34 PM)Caroline Wrote: Still Jim… you fit in the theory of the mitochondrial disease… ohhh do I that sounds special to me 
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(Sat-31-07-2021, 20:31 PM)jiml Wrote: (Sat-31-07-2021, 12:34 PM)Caroline Wrote: Still Jim… you fit in the theory of the mitochondrial disease… ohhh do I that sounds special to me
Sounds scary to me  But most things medical sound scary to me.
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(Sun-01-08-2021, 09:12 AM)Turnedlight Wrote: (Sun-01-08-2021, 09:01 AM)Caroline Wrote: (Sun-01-08-2021, 03:25 AM)Kat Wrote: (Sat-31-07-2021, 20:31 PM)jiml Wrote: (Sat-31-07-2021, 12:34 PM)Caroline Wrote: Still Jim… you fit in the theory of the mitochondrial disease… ohhh do I that sounds special to me
Sounds scary to me But most things medical sound scary to me.
 nothing to be scared of..
your whole body works because of Basically chemical reactions. Food is processed into material that is able to give energy to your cells so they can live. Very very normal. The number of reactions is gigantic. It can be easily be guessed that not every reaction will work perfectly. E.g. with aging I guess things will change. Processes that do not work perfectly is no problem, but they can give rise to unfinished elements of reactions, garbage in fact.
Looked up mitochondrial disease - I would think you’d definitely know if you had that..
Well… with psoriasis… Nobody looks in that direction. I have never ever heard a derm speak about it.
The only one I heard about it, was an internist, probably as he is looking much more to the internal person and the processes of the body.
You must admit that nobody seems to know the cause of psoriasis.
Yes… immune system goes berserk, but how and why?
Yes… all kind of cytokines are involved, and if we suppress them, it goes better. But where do they come from? Why do they at all get so high?
Yes… probably genes are involved, but why ? How? What effects do they cause and why?
We know the results and several steps in between, but we don’t know the cause..
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