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Thu-07-04-2016, 12:47 PM
(Thu-07-04-2016, 12:27 PM)Turnedlight Wrote: I brought it up because I'd seen a study done, I don't go looking for herbal or Chinese medicines.

I can send you the link to the study if you like Fred?

I don't think it's quite as ridiculous as it sounds, also I don't always believe the adage that if it worked we'd have it already, in this day and age drugs companies do everything they can to block 'natural' cures because they can't patent them.

I've just got your PM and replied. Smile

Here are the basics from the PDF

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Accepted 14 January, 2013.

The objective of this study is to evaluate bee venom and propolis, as a new therapeutic modality for localized plaque psoriasis. Forty eight patients were randomized into four treatment groups: Group I received intradermal bee venom twice weekly; Group II received topical propolis ointment in vaseline base; Group III received oral propolis capsules 1 g/day; and group IV received intradermal bee venom, oral and topical propolis. Response to treatment was assessed by calculating Psoriasis Area and Severity Index (PASI) score and measuring serum interleukin-1β (IL-1β) before and after 3 months of treatment. A significant reduction in both PASI score and serum level of IL-1β was observed in all groups. Changes in PASI score and IL-1β were significantly higher in Groups I and IV compared to Groups II and III. All treatments were tolerable with minimal adverse effects. In conclusion, intradermal bee venom and oral propolis are safe and effective treatments of localized plaque psoriasis with minimal tolerable side effects. Intradermal bee venom has superior results than oral or topical propolis when used alone or in combination with propolis.

The study included 48 patients with localized plaque psoriasis. They included 26 males and 22 females. Their ages ranged from 8 to 60 years with a mean of 35.91 ± 11.89 years. The duration of psoriatic lesions ranged from 4 months to 7 years with a mean of 2.34 ± 0.56 years. Patients with systemic diseases, such as diabetes and cardiac diseases were excluded from the study. Pregnant and lactating females were also excluded.

All groups of patients showed reduction the mean PASI score after the end of treatment. In Group I, the mean PASI score of the patients was 6.67 ± 0.83 before treatment and was reduced after treatment to a mean of 3.17 ± 0.41. The reduction was statistically highly significant (P < 0. 01), (Figures 1, 3a and b).

During the study, 2 patients in Group III discontinued treatment and one patient in Group II showed worsening of the psoriatic lesions with increase in PASI score. Moreover, 2 patients including one patient in Group II and the other patient in Group III showed no clinical evidence of improvement with any change in their PASI score after completion of the course of treatment. During the course of therapy, 4 patients in Group I and 2 patients in Group IV experienced generalized itching; however, it was not so significant to necessitate discontinuation of therapy. Itching was completely resolved spontaneously within few weeks. There were no systemic side effects of treatment in all patients as detected by routine investigations and follow up.

From the study, we conclude that intradermal bee venom and oral propolis could be a potential new therapeutic agent in treatment of chronic localized plaque psoriasis, with minimal tolerable side effects. Intradermal bee venom has superior results than oral or topical propolis when used alone or in combination with propolis. Interleukin-1β could be considered as an indicator in treatment of psoriasis with intradermal bee venom. Larger randomized controlled complementary studies are needed to explore their efficacy. This work is a potential starting point for larger studies with wider scales of applications to confirm our findings.

Source: netjournals.org


Funding: National Research Center, Egypt
Tanta University, Egypt.
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Thu-07-04-2016, 12:54 PM
(Thu-07-04-2016, 12:35 PM)jiml Wrote: Can you send it to me please

I agree there's no profit for pharmaceutical companies for promoting natural remedies and always good to look what's being researched...  Thumb and keeping an open mind

I've posted the basics above, but I'll send you the PDF I found that has all the info.
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Thu-07-04-2016, 14:25 PM
It looks like if there's anything in it, its in the injections not the creams.
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Thu-07-04-2016, 14:57 PM
(Thu-07-04-2016, 14:25 PM)Turnedlight Wrote: It looks like if there's anything in it, its in the injections not the creams.

They think there's something in it as they have got patents out on all 4 treatments

And it does seem interesting findings , yes the injections of venom seem effective, whereas the propolis creams were fairly innefective, and probably acted as a moisturiser
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Thu-14-04-2016, 09:35 AM
It is acupuncture Jim. My favourite Chinese medicine is the DMF I got from Shanghai. Cant say I am a fan of alternative medicine.
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Thu-14-04-2016, 09:42 AM
(Thu-14-04-2016, 09:35 AM)Bill Wrote: It is acupuncture Jim. My favourite Chinese medicine is the DMF I got from Shanghai. Cant say I am a fan of alternative medicine.

85 but what you are doing could be considered alternative Bill

No the bee venom injections are different to the propolis....... the propolis is made from the wax that cover the cells in the hive. I think Smile
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In hindsight Jim I think my choice inspired.

<Our findings strongly suggest that treatment with BVA with ST36 acupoint could delay or attenuate the development and progression of EAE by upregulating regulatory T cells and suppressing T-helper (Th) 17 and Th1 responses. These results warrant further investigation of BVA as a treatment for autoimmune disorders of the central nervous system.>



It might work wonders and stop cruelty to bears.
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Thu-14-04-2016, 10:35 AM
(Thu-14-04-2016, 10:20 AM)Bill Wrote: In hindsight Jim I think my choice inspired.

I agree but unconventional  Thumb

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Even grizzly ones

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Thu-14-04-2016, 12:25 PM
What I read was not about acupuncture, nor did it mention Chinese, herbal or alternative medicine.
I am a massive cynic when it comes to alternative medicine, I think most of it is bs.
I also don't like the idea of being mean to bees to obtain the injections but maybe there's some ingredient they can replicate.
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Thu-14-04-2016, 12:46 PM
(Thu-14-04-2016, 12:25 PM)Turnedlight Wrote: What I read was not about acupuncture, nor did it mention Chinese, herbal or alternative medicine.
I am a massive cynic when it comes to alternative medicine, I think most of it is bs.
I also don't like the idea of being mean to bees to obtain the injections but maybe there's some ingredient they can replicate.

I agree TL There is no mention of acupuncture or your other points...

It doesn't say how they will extract bee venom, or whether they will try to make a synthetic " venom" or in fact harm bees in the process

I agree to liken it to Chinese ,herbal, or alternative is trivialising the research, which I think may have some merit
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