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[Caroline]

And if fear is not your worst enemy, I will be that gladly ....    

You're the only thing I do fear.  

THING ??????

[Fred]

And if fear is not your worst enemy, I will be that gladly ....    

You're the only thing I do fear.  

THING ??????  

WHAT! You mean you're a real person, I thought you was a Bot.

[Caroline]

And if fear is not your worst enemy, I will be that gladly ....    

You're the only thing I do fear.  

THING ??????  

WHAT! You mean you're a real person, I thought you was a Bot.  

Nooo, I am not a bot. But finally you found out I am different, are all humans that slow?
I come from starworld Marune, located in the Alastor cluster.
Because of our green sun, our hair grows blue.
It is fun over here on this world. Btw, Jenny is also from my world.  

But... We are going Off Topic....

[jiml]

Oh you Pussy. Your fear the things that you only think are there, like most children do as they think there are ghosts under their beds.
The solution is long there and I use it already for long time.

Even the guys of Biogen are in that way with their product for MS.

Thank you Caroline I knew we could rely on you to come up with a Logical answer as to why 30–40% give up, I'm sure it will be helpful to those that did give up knowing they were only thinking they were experiencing the intolerable adverse events.  

As i already said to Jim. This version I use, the slow release version, is not totally stupid.  
Most of the intestine problems are minimized by it.

Major problem is that  dermatologists, pharma, institutions and insurances are not smart enough to realize that and to read about the problem, all has already been invented.
Apparantly they suffer from the "not in vented here syndrome".

Sure, also with the slow release version there are some people that are so sensitive that they have to quit, but that is far from the 30-40%, maybe 5-10% at most.
And I don't think you are that sensitive.

Additional to that, it makes no sense fearing things that may not at all happen. Fear is your worst enemy. You mustn't quit because others cannot cope with problems, you must quit if you experience that problem yourself. Certainly given the big chance that it may help.
I am not meaning to say that problems may not exist and people do have to quit, that is sad enough, but I want to say that you should grab the 60-70% chance that you don't experience problems, when the time is there.

And if fear is not your worst enemy, I will be that gladly ....    

Well written Caroline I couldn't agree more   perhaps I should get my out as well

[Kat]

Did you know that I thought this... was a fishing line instead of a whip?

I think fear in moderation can be a good thing. It can lead to being cautious, of course too much fear can lead to being paranoid.

A gambler bets on the odds. Depending on how much he has to lose, or win, depends on which odds he's willing to play. I think the same goes for treatments. If the normal side effects are lesser than the disease, then most will go for it hoping they are not one of the "few" that the side effects are worse than the disease.

And sometimes.... you just have to hope you beat the odds.

[jiml]

Did you know that I thought this...    was a fishing line instead of a whip?

I think fear in moderation can be a good thing.  It can lead to being cautious, of course too much fear can lead to being paranoid.

A gambler bets on the odds.  Depending on how much he has to lose, or win, depends on which odds he's willing to play.  I think the same goes for treatments.  If the normal side effects are lesser than the disease, then most will go for it hoping they are not one of the "few" that the side effects are worse than the disease.

And sometimes.... you just have to hope you beat the odds.

[Caroline]

Did you know that I thought this...    was a fishing line instead of a whip?

I think fear in moderation can be a good thing.  It can lead to being cautious, of course too much fear can lead to being paranoid.

A gambler bets on the odds.  Depending on how much he has to lose, or win, depends on which odds he's willing to play.  I think the same goes for treatments.  If the normal side effects are lesser than the disease, then most will go for it hoping they are not one of the "few" that the side effects are worse than the disease.

And sometimes.... you just have to hope you beat the odds.

If with 70% of the people the Side effects are lesser than the disease. What would you gamble Kat ?

[Kat]

If with 70% of the people the Side effects are lesser than the disease. What would you gamble Kat ?

The gastrointestinal problems concern me, the flushes not so much (as I've heard them described here often) but I'd probably try it (if my current treatment stopped working and if it was offered, but since you all have made me smarter, I'd compare it to other treatments and weigh the odds on the side effects and success rates.)

[Caroline]

If with 70% of the people the Side effects are lesser than the disease. What would you gamble Kat ?

The gastrointestinal problems concern me, the flushes not so much (as I've heard them described here often) but I'd probably try it (if my current treatment stopped working and if it was offered, but since you all have made me smarter, I'd compare it to other treatments and weigh the odds on the side effects and success rates.)

Well then, maybe I am lucky, but I am on quite a dose, and have relatively low gastrointestinal problems. It certainly doesn't run down my pants so to say, hihi.
So from my point of view the mentioned problems are far overrated. But.... I must admit, I am the only one on a different version of DMF.

[jiml]

If with 70% of the people the Side effects are lesser than the disease. What would you gamble Kat ?

The gastrointestinal problems concern me, the flushes not so much (as I've heard them described here often) but I'd probably try it (if my current treatment stopped working and if it was offered, but since you all have made me smarter, I'd compare it to other treatments and weigh the odds on the side effects and success rates.)

Well then, maybe I am lucky, but I am on quite a dose, and have relatively low gastrointestinal problems. It certainly doesn't run down my pants so to say, hihi.
So from my point of view the mentioned problems are far overrated. But.... I must admit, I am the only one on a different version of DMF.

I am even luckier as the only side effects I get are flushes they are never unpleasant they just warm me from head to toe .... No gastrointestinal troubles for me