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Low energy levels on fumaderm

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Low energy levels on fumaderm
Caroline Offline
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Treatment: Got back to DMF slow release
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Tue-23-02-2016, 20:22 PM
(Tue-23-02-2016, 18:44 PM)jiml Wrote:
(Tue-23-02-2016, 18:34 PM)Caroline Wrote: JIM !!!!!!!

You are on my thread !!!! And also not correct....  Angry

What you are saying is only partly true, and way overrated.
I have been years on a level between 0.5 and 0.7, and I am hardly ever ill nor is my immune system against viruses less than normal, which is well known, at least with the community over here in NL, when you use DMF.

So are you saying someone who has been on Fumaderm for just 7 months and has a lymphocyte count that's dropped to 0.5 is safe leaving any check on bloods for 3 months ??? Despite the manufacturers instructions being clear

Psssst you can post on my thread any time

My nails are fine again. 84  and I was teasing you Jim  Tongue

Let's elaborate a little on the subject.
1) don't panic. Smile
2) we all know that the start with DMF, any producer made, shows a lymphocyte count that is going down.
3) true, the 0.5 is the low side, I have been shortly on 0.4, but that the count has the ability to bounce back.
4) due to (3) indeed you certainly should not increase, and go for a next check in 3 months.
5) remember that the producer of Fumaderm, being Biog.n, is really panicked on the PML cases that they have with Tecfid...  So they are raising there limits to avoid sueing.
6) I even guess that if you look for an old leaflet, more than two years older, there is no mention of this risk.
7) History and Dutch and German research show that there is no relation between the use of DMF, having a lower lympho count, and being more vulnerable for infections, diseases or viruses. The warning in the leaflet has been made from a theoretical standing point, if lympho's are low you probably will be more vulnerable. But in practice that does not hold for the treatment with DMF, even though that is strange.
8) the real risky level for most people for getting PML is with a level of 0.2 or lower, and only if you carry the JB Cunningham virus with you, unfortunately 90% of the population does.
9) you can increase your lymphocyte level by taking the drug intermittently. So take it during the week and give yourself a rest in the weekend.
10) oops can't think of a 10th right now.  Big Grin
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Low energy levels on fumaderm - by braye lodge - Wed-10-02-2016, 17:03 PM
RE: Low energy levels on fumaderm - by Bill - Fri-26-02-2016, 09:51 AM
RE: Low energy levels on fumaderm - by jiml - Fri-26-02-2016, 10:09 AM
RE: Ask Caroline - by Caroline - Wed-10-02-2016, 20:56 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by braye lodge - Wed-10-02-2016, 21:21 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by Caroline - Wed-10-02-2016, 21:27 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by braye lodge - Wed-10-02-2016, 21:36 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by Caroline - Wed-10-02-2016, 21:41 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by jiml - Wed-10-02-2016, 22:11 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by Caroline - Wed-10-02-2016, 22:23 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by jiml - Wed-10-02-2016, 22:37 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by braye lodge - Mon-15-02-2016, 13:05 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by braye lodge - Mon-15-02-2016, 13:08 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by Caroline - Mon-15-02-2016, 13:51 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by jiml - Mon-15-02-2016, 14:31 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by braye lodge - Tue-23-02-2016, 11:40 AM
RE: Ask Caroline - by jiml - Tue-23-02-2016, 12:00 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by braye lodge - Tue-23-02-2016, 12:07 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by jiml - Tue-23-02-2016, 12:17 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by braye lodge - Tue-23-02-2016, 13:15 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by jiml - Tue-23-02-2016, 13:25 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by Caroline - Tue-23-02-2016, 18:34 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by Caroline - Tue-23-02-2016, 18:37 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by jiml - Tue-23-02-2016, 18:44 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by Caroline - Tue-23-02-2016, 18:57 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by braye lodge - Tue-23-02-2016, 20:20 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by Caroline - Tue-23-02-2016, 20:22 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by jiml - Tue-23-02-2016, 20:25 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by braye lodge - Tue-23-02-2016, 20:29 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by braye lodge - Tue-23-02-2016, 20:32 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by Caroline - Tue-23-02-2016, 20:35 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by Caroline - Tue-23-02-2016, 20:36 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by Grizzly Bear - Tue-23-02-2016, 20:47 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by jiml - Tue-23-02-2016, 20:51 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by braye lodge - Tue-23-02-2016, 20:53 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by jiml - Tue-23-02-2016, 20:54 PM
RE: Ask Caroline - by Caroline - Tue-23-02-2016, 20:54 PM

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